Curse

HDS · Feb 18, 2006, 02:38 PM // 14:38

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Originally Posted by lord_shar

I apologize if this sounds like an attack, but the above line of reasoning suggests jealousy as the person's motivation for scamming. Defrauding another player to better one's character's in-game finances is still an evil act. The more a person tolerates this behavior, the more he/she slips away from civil society.

Never said it was not a bad act. But Jealousy is a big factor in scaming IMHO

frickett · Feb 18, 2006, 02:55 PM // 14:55

I am not able to farm for 8 hours a day, and i dont have piles of gold in storage. So that means that someone should be allowed to take what money I do have? The money i have been saving?

Poison Ivy · Feb 18, 2006, 03:08 PM // 15:08

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Originally Posted by frickett

I am not able to farm for 8 hours a day, and i dont have piles of gold in storage. So that means that someone should be allowed to take what money I do have? The money i have been saving?

Scamming is far different from taking, and scamming is just a unfair trade, not taking. You just have to becareful about unfair trades, and if you do get scammed, in truth, the only person you can blame is yourself.

HDS · Feb 18, 2006, 03:09 PM // 15:09

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Originally Posted by frickett

I am not able to farm for 8 hours a day, and i dont have piles of gold in storage. So that means that someone should be allowed to take what money I do have? The money i have been saving?

You're not reading what I am writing. ( I wonder if there is any point to my posting further in this thread since you put words into my mouth).

I SAID: MANY OF THE SCAMMERS ARE COMPULSIVE SPENDERS, HOWEVER, SINCE THEY DO NOT FARM 8 HOURS PER DAY THEY NEVER HAVE ENOUGH GOLD, THIS FORMS A JEALOUSY/ENVY OF THOSE WHO DO SAVE UP GOLD, THIS MAKES THEM WANT TO SCAM PEOPLE.

Loviatar · Feb 18, 2006, 03:24 PM // 15:24

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Originally Posted by HDS

Calm yourself.

I never said it is justified, i said there is a cause to it. There is a difference. I will defend it for as long as i so wish to do, it is my choice to do so.

Again, once more so maybe you can get it: I never said it was justified, however i do say there is a cause for it.

you are chosing to defend a person who deliberately sets out to find a victim and rip him/her off for as much as you can.

there are many families playing this game and some of the children actually trust people still.

SINCE YOU KNOW (OR THINK YOU DO) THE CAUSE(S) OF SCAMMING THAT MAKE YOU BLAME THE VICTIM INSTEAD OF THE CRIMINAL PLEASE SHARE THESE INSIGHTS WITH US

GIVE US THE CAUSE SPECIFICALLY THAT HAS YOU TAKING THE SIDE OF CRIMINALS INSTEAD OF THEIR VICTIMS.

thor hammerbane · Feb 18, 2006, 03:27 PM // 15:27

I don't scam, but i don't think scamming is stealing. It's just the ignorance of the person being scammed. Life isn't all fair where everybody is happy. Do you think this kind of stuff doesn't go on around in the real world?

PS::I dont scam, just giving my opinion.

frickett · Feb 18, 2006, 03:33 PM // 15:33

I don't necessarily think it is stealing either, but that doesnt make it right. I've not been scammed, but I am careful. Not everyone is. I am not jealous of the people who have tons of gold, I'm doing ok, I am having fun, so what if i only have around 850g. no worries, that doesnt make me want to scam folks for their gold.

Cronos Khan · Feb 18, 2006, 03:34 PM // 15:34

for me, if its like getting scammed out of 1k....I dont really care, but it was 100k, then I would be angry lol!

HDS · Feb 18, 2006, 03:44 PM // 15:44

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Originally Posted by frickett

I don't necessarily think it is stealing either, but that doesnt make it right. I've not been scammed, but I am careful. Not everyone is. I am not jealous of the people who have tons of gold, I'm doing ok, I am having fun, so what if i only have around 850g. no worries, that doesnt make me want to scam folks for their gold.

I know, same here, however not allpeople are like that most people who as i said are compulsive spenders will end up as scammers if they dont find a way to keep their money status in a balance.

HDS · Feb 18, 2006, 03:45 PM // 15:45

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Originally Posted by Loviatar

you are chosing to defend a person who deliberately sets out to find a victim and rip him/her off for as much as you can.

there are many families playing this game and some of the children actually trust people still.

SINCE YOU KNOW (OR THINK YOU DO) THE CAUSE(S) OF SCAMMING THAT MAKE YOU BLAME THE VICTIM INSTEAD OF THE CRIMINAL PLEASE SHARE THESE INSIGHTS WITH US

GIVE US THE CAUSE SPECIFICALLY THAT HAS YOU TAKING THE SIDE OF CRIMINALS INSTEAD OF THEIR VICTIMS.

I have, many many many times.

If YOU are not attentive to the TRADE WINDOW, WHERE YOU SHOULD BE, it is YOUR fault, YOUR responsibility.

eom · Feb 18, 2006, 04:10 PM // 16:10

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Originally Posted by HDS

You're not reading what I am writing. ( I wonder if there is any point to my posting further in this thread since you put words into my mouth).

I SAID: MANY OF THE SCAMMERS ARE COMPULSIVE SPENDERS, HOWEVER, SINCE THEY DO NOT FARM 8 HOURS PER DAY THEY NEVER HAVE ENOUGH GOLD, THIS FORMS A JEALOUSY/ENVY OF THOSE WHO DO SAVE UP GOLD, THIS MAKES THEM WANT TO SCAM PEOPLE.

hehehehe....are you saying that the reason people scam is to keep up w/the farmers...?

heh...dude, this isn't directed at you personally, so don't take this the wrong way, but that is idiotic.
if I might use that word w/o the pc police coming after me.

when you spill hot coffee on your crotch it is your fault, not the fault of the person who made the coffee, although you never would have done it if they hadn't made it.

let me tell you why people scam:
because they are either too immature to have learned right from wrong, or know and just don't give a crap about other people.
it really has nothing to do w/farmers.

you assume that by subtracting out these farmers that the scammers would suddenly learn right from wrong --- that is not the case.

HDS · Feb 18, 2006, 04:15 PM // 16:15

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Originally Posted by eom

hehehehe....are you saying that the reason people scam is to keep up w/the farmers...?

heh...dude, this isn't directed at you personally, so don't take this the wrong way, but that is idiotic.
if I might use that word w/o the pc police coming after me.

when you spill hot coffee on your crotch it is your fault, not the fault of the person who made the coffee, although you never would have done it if they hadn't made it.

let me tell you why people scam:
because they are either too immature to have learned right from wrong, or know and just don't give a crap about other people.
it really has nothing to do w/farmers.

you assume that by subtracting out these farmers that the scammers would suddenly learn right from wrong --- that is not the case.

It does have some to do with farmers, trust me i have had 5 people i know banned for scamming because they were compusive spenders, couple that with the amazing inflation....

People should have to do a test before joining in the game... seriously.

frickett · Feb 18, 2006, 04:22 PM // 16:22

inflation?
what about minimum wage?

Loviatar · Feb 18, 2006, 04:32 PM // 16:32

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Originally Posted by HDS

It does have some to do with farmers, trust me i have had 5 people i know banned for scamming because they were compusive spenders, couple that with the amazing inflation....
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let me see if i have this straight now.

you have people who simply cannot stop themselves from buying anything that they see and want.

they dont have enough gold to get it so they start stealing it from others to feed their spending addiction.

two major character flaws in the scammer you mention

note that a scammer is not simply a person taking advantage of a random opportunity.

the scammer sets out from the start intending to find an unsuspecting person and trick them out of as much as they can.

the same as when they had the riots out here some people defended the looting because there were all those nice things that those people couldnt afford.

right

you cant afford it honestly so somehow that makes stealing defensable to you

{IceFire} · Feb 18, 2006, 04:41 PM // 16:41

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Originally Posted by Poison Ivy

Scamming is far different from taking, and scamming is just a unfair trade, not taking.

let me read that again. did you just say that scamming ISN'T taking? are you kidding? its pretty much the same thing as stealing.......

Poison Ivy · Feb 18, 2006, 04:41 PM // 16:41

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Originally Posted by Loviatar

there are many families playing this game and some of the children actually trust people still.

Well then, they will have to grow up eventually.

Kook~NBK~ · Feb 18, 2006, 04:42 PM // 16:42

Wow! I'm amazed at the way people think about scamming!

Scamming is just plain wrong. Blaming the victim for getting scammed because he/she wasn't careful in their trade, or too trusting while trading is a bit off the mark. Yes, people should protect themselves from this sort of thing, BUT - carelessness and trust are the very weapons a scammer uses against his/her victims. They know that human nature introduces these things into the trade game, and exploit them to their advantage. Younger players are easier prey for scammers than older folks, as they haven't got as much real-world experience with dishonest folks.

To make scamming a question of the "Haves vs. the Have Nots" is complete nonsense. That scammer has no idea how much wealth his victim has - nor does he/she care!

To try excusing scamming because this sort of crap happens in real life is insane! Guess what? When you're making a trade with another player, you're operating IRL! That person exists just as much as you or I, and you're dealing with that real person (unless it's a bot, but it's probably not, so no need to complicate things with that). The only thing that's not real is the virtual items being traded. Now, IRL for real money/things, scamming is ILLEGAL, punishable by heavy fines and or imprisonment. And it's not the victim that goes to jail, nor should it be.

Inureface · Feb 18, 2006, 05:16 PM // 17:16

^ Totally agree with post above, no matter if the buyer was an idiot or whatever, nothing justifies scamming him. Unfortunately I posted that same thing in the other scam thread and no one listened.

eom · Feb 18, 2006, 05:31 PM // 17:31

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Originally Posted by HDS

It does have some to do with farmers, trust me i have had 5 people i know banned for scamming because they were compusive spenders, couple that with the amazing inflation....

ok, dude, you need to learn to differentiate between rationalization and excuses, and actual cause and effect.

ps

we have experienced deflation in this game, not inflation.

maybe try blaming it on the terrorists.

Loviatar · Feb 18, 2006, 05:35 PM // 17:35

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Originally Posted by Kook~NBK~

Younger players are easier prey for scammers than older folks, as they haven't got as much real-world experience with dishonest folks.

To make scamming a question of the "Haves vs. the Have Nots" is complete nonsense. That scammer has no idea how much wealth his victim has - nor does he/she care!

And it's not the victim that goes to jail, nor should it be.

TRUE

to all the people defending scammers or saying deal with it as they will always be there

the way to deal with it and make the game more fun for all but the real life thieves is simple.

a proven scammer (screenshots and confirmed by Anet logs) gets one warning with a 30 day account lock.

a second proven scam results in account loss.

and before the inevitable howls of *what about honest mistakes* i am talking about no possible honest mistake such as the old same look axe scam switch among others

that takes planning and intent to steal and is not possibly an accident.

and by your own twisted logic if the seller was so stupid as to switch axes *accidentally* wouldnt they deserve whatever happened to them?